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kcb 2016-4-21 20:09:33
Gavin说:大家的问题不用局限于扩容,分叉和Classic vs. Core。欢迎大家踊跃提出其他方面的问题。
分分钟需要你 2016-4-21 20:11:08
嗯,好。那我作为一名普通交易者,问下你相信比特币可以成为一个好的财富储藏手段吗?因为你曾经说比特币可能不会成为重要的价值储藏,你现在还这么认为吗?https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204.msg1714#msg1714
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2016-4-21 21:43:28 GavinAndresen: That feels like a very long time ago I said that…

I still think that the best store of value is in diversified investments that are investing in people that are working hard to make the world a better place. So the part of my personal savings that is not Bitcoin is mostly invested in diversified stock mutual funds.

Having some of your savings in a very safe investment makes a lot of sense; something like precious metals is probably the safest investment right now.

Hopefully some day Bitcoin will be safer than gold, and it will make sense to hold Bitcoin as part of your “safe from stock market craziness” money. Today, I think it makes sense to hold some Bitcon as part of your “high risk but maybe high future reward” money.

But please don’t invest all of your money in any one thing!
我都几乎忘记这句话了。。。
我仍然认为最好的价值储存手段是分散投资,并且把钱投在那些努力让这个世界变得更好的人身上。我在比特币之外个人资产,大多数投向了多元股票共同基金。
把个人积蓄放在一个安全的投资工具里是一个理性的决定,目前贵金属可能还是最安全的资产之一。
希望有朝一日比特币比黄金更加安全,比特币会成为比“股票热钱”更加安全的资产。目前我会把比特币视为一种“高风险但可能有高回报”的资产。
但是注意一定不要把你所有的投资都放在同一个篮子里!
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杀死卡尔 2016-4-21 20:17:21
我想了解下,加文有个“比特币基金会首席科学”这个头衔,是什么意思,主要做什么的,而且这是谁给的?
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2016-4-21 21:35:10 GavinAndresen: There was a meeting in Seattle where we created the Foundation. I don’t remember who suggested the “Chief Scientist” title, but it seemed better than the rest of the possible titles we were thinking of.

I am fortunate to have very few responsibilities. I am given the freedom to do what I think will be best for Bitcoin. I tell people I have almost no gray hair (I should have gray hair, I will be 50 years old at the end of the year) because I organize my life so that I do not need to manage people and almost never have to talk with lawyers.
在西雅图一次会议上诞生了比特币基金会,我忘了是谁想出了“首席科学家”这个头衔,当时没有其它更好的选择了。
非常幸运在这个位子上我没有太多的约束。我可以自由地去做符合比特币最佳利益的事情。我告诉别人我几乎没有白头发(那年年底我就满50岁了,应该有白头发了),因为我刻意避免去与人打交道,我甚至从来没找过律师。
2016-4-21 20:18:11 gladpay: 当然是比特币基金会罗,不过这个组织名声不太好
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pangcong 2016-4-21 20:25:40
您是怎么认识中本聪的最开始,他找到的你,还是你被项目吸引找到的他
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2016-4-21 21:46:21 GavinAndresen: I contacted Satoshi on the bitcointalk forums. Here is my first message to him:

Hey Satoshi:

I want to help make Bitcoin a success.  I've started by creating freebitcoins.appspot.com, and plan on doing a couple of other small projects like it.

But I think I might be able to help in lots of other ways.  I was the chief architect of the VRML 3D-graphics-on-the-web standardization effort (which is STILL a solution in search of a problem, unfortunately), and had the unpleasant experience of taking it through the ISO standardization process.

I've also written a lot of C++ code (I'm very proud of the code I wrote as part of the Open Inventor team at Silicon Graphics), although it's been a while (I've switched to Python).

I'm very curious to hear more about you-- how old are you?  Is Satoshi your real name?  Do you have a day job?  What projects have you been involved with before?

Anyway, Bitcoin is a brilliant idea, and I want to help.  What do you need?

-- Gavin Andresen

我是在bitcointalk论坛上联系到中本聪的,下面是我发给他的第一个站内信息:

中本聪你好,
我想为比特币的成功贡献一些力量。我已经建了一个站:freebitcoins.appspot.com,还有几个应用在计划中。
不过我觉得我还可能在其它方面起到更大的作用。我是VRML 3D-graphics-on-the-web 的主架构师(不幸的是,这还是目前主流的方案),使其通过ISO标准化的过程让我很恼火。
我对你很好奇-你多大了?中本聪是你的真名吗?你有没有全职工作?你以前参与过什么项目?
总之比特币是个宏伟的计划,我想出一份力,我能做些什么呢?
-- Gavin Andresen
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小蚂蚁 2016-4-21 20:26:30
gavin上次来北京开会,说了些什么?
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2016-4-21 22:06:04 GavinAndresen: The first and only time I’ve been in China was the end of last month (March).

The purpose of the trip was to meet with some of the mining pools and miners, to better understand what they are thinking about the block size limit, segregated witness, the halving, and anything else that is an issue right now.

I did not say a lot-- just made clear some technical points about BIP109, and explained what I have been hearing from large and small companies in the West.

我唯一一次也是第一次来中国就是上个月(三月)份在北京。
北京之行的目的是和一些矿池站长及矿工会面,了解他们对于区块扩容、隔离见证,区块减半等问题的看法。
我说的不多,主要是澄清了一些关于BIP109的一些技术细节,然后向他们解释了西方大小公司的看法。
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satoshi 2016-4-21 20:27:35
Gavin, what do you think is the best way to introduce/explain Bitcoin to an average Joe?
怎么更好地向普通人介绍比特币
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2016-4-21 21:07:01 GavinAndresen: I usually start by saying that Bitcoin is one of those ideas that sounds crazy when you first hear it. And then I describe it as “money for the Internet, that is designed to be like the Internet-- with no single person or government or company in control.”

Then I let them steer the conversation and ask questions if they are interested. Some people want to talk about what governments think, some people want to know about the technology, some people want to know if they should invest or how easy it is to use… there are lots of things to talk about!
我的开场白通常是,比特币是个乍听上去很疯狂的idea,然后我会将它描述成“互联网上的货币,因为其设计就象互联网一样,没有任何个人、政府或公司在控制它。”
然后我就让他们来控制话题的走向,回答他们的问题。有些人关注政府态度,有些人对技术好奇,有些人想谈投资风险或者是应用场景,总之无所不谈!
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七步上天堂 2016-4-21 20:37:01 来自手机版
gavin 在你从事比特币行业时,周围是否有人会嘲笑你攻击你,你是如何坚持下来的?你认为现在比特币发展的情况怎么样?
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2016-4-21 21:06:18 GavinAndresen: There are always people on the Internet who seem to like attacking other people. I don’t know if it is better or worse with Bitcoin; probably worse, because people care so much about it.

I get many more people thanking me for the work I do on Bitcoin than people attacking me, so usually it is easy to move on and continue my work. I am most hurt when I am attacked by people I have worked with in the past; that is discouraging.

I think overall Bitcoin development is stronger than it has ever been. There are more people contributing, not just to Core but to other projects, and more innovation happening.

But moving from there being just one implementation of the protocol to multiple competing implementations is necessary, but difficult. I wish developers did not see that transition as being some sort of personal attack.

网上最不缺的就是喷子,这对比特币是好是坏我也不知道。可能是坏事吧,因为关心比特币的人很用心。
对于我为比特币做的事情,感激我的人比恨我的人更多。所以我通常泰然处之。但我被曾经共事过的人攻击时,会非常痛心,挫败感很强。
整体而言,比特币的开发队伍更强大了,越来越多人贡献代码,包括Core及其它相关项目,创新每天都在发生。
离开一个协议的开发,转而投向其竞争协议的开发,这是个必要但却艰难的决定。我希望开发者们不要把这件事情看成是一种个人的攻击行为。
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kcb 2016-4-21 20:44:38
Gavin,前几天隔离验证代码已经发布了,可是现在的区块大小还是1MB,能处理的交易还是只有那么多。请问我们何时才能从隔离验证中受益?何时才能真正的看到能承载更多交易的区块的正式出现?
Hi Gavin, SegWig had a PR a couple of days ago, however, the blocksize limit is still 1MB, the amount of transactions can be processed are still the same per block. I really want to know that when we can benefit from SegWig, and when can we actually have blocks that can process more transactions?
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2016-4-21 22:06:48 GavinAndresen: If everything goes perfectly, we might see a significan number of SegWit transactions in three months. I would guess it will take six months for the miners to adopt segwit and then wallets to start producing segwit transactions, but it could take a year.

Unfortunately, transaction volume was growing more quickly than that, so even if Segwit helps, it will not help quickly enough.

如果事情进展异常顺利,三个月内我们会看到一定数量的隔离验证交易数。我猜测矿工们需要六个月的时间接受隔离验证然后钱包会开始生成隔离验证交易,但可能需要一年时间。
不幸的是,交易量的增长会比这个周期要快,即使隔离验证有帮助,但太慢不足够缓解。
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中本葱 2016-4-21 20:45:20
2015年你曾经说过每分钟出块是个好提议,现在你还这么觉得吗?如果是的,那么对于每分钟出块导致的安全问题和孤块率增加,你认为应该如何应对?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35hpkt/please_remind_me_once_again_why_we_cant_decrease/cr4wk0g
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2016-4-21 22:09:43 GavinAndresen: Yes, I still believe Bitcoin would work just fine with a one-minute block generation time.

I don’t think we should change that right now, though, because it would be a big change that requires changing lots of software.

I’m not sure what security issues you are talking about, perhaps you could be more specific.

As for higher orphan rates: if everybody has a higher orphan rate, then that is not a problem (unless orphan rates get very high-- say 5-10% or more). Even worries about larger miners having an advantage at higher orphan rates could be addressed with some protocol changes.

But, again, all of that is a much longer discussion that I don’t think we should have right now. Increasing or eliminating the block size limit is much simpler.
是的,我认为比特币一分钟出块是没有问题的。
不过我认为现在不是合适的时机。因为这牵涉到很多周边软件的改动。
我不是很清楚你指的安全问题是什么?可以详细点吗?
孤块率增加,如果大家的孤块率都一样高,那就不是问题(除非孤块率高达5-10%)。大算力矿工在孤块率上占优的问题,也可以通过代码优化来解决。
但是,目前谈论这个话题还言之尚早。增加或者取消区块大小限制更简单。
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比特吹 2016-4-21 20:45:52
加文你每天工作多长时间? 还在写代码吗
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2016-4-21 22:10:40 GavinAndresen: It depends on what you mean by “working” -- does answering email after dinner count?

I try not to work too much; I need to get more exercise, and like to spend time with my family (my children will be going to college in just a few years). I am usually at my office maybe seven hours, five days per week, and on good days I do get to still write code.

我试着少工作一些。我需要多锻炼和多和家人相处(我的孩子还有几年就要上大学了)。我通常一周工作五天,每天7个小时。而且我确实还在写代码。
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pangcong 2016-4-21 20:53:38
Hi, Gavin, how many children do you have? :-D How do you balance between your life and bitcoin?
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2016-4-21 22:12:15 GavinAndresen: Two children, a girl and a boy, both teenagers. The trick to balancing life and bitcoin is to say “no” a lot (“no, I’m sorry, I cannot speak at your conference in Botswana”).
我有两个孩子,一男一女,都十来岁。在生活与工作间找到平衡的要点是把“No” 挂在嘴边。比如说,“对不起,我不能参加你们在Botswana召开的会议。”
2016-4-21 20:54:43 pangcong: Gavin,您好,您有几个孩子呢?怎么平衡自己的生活和比特币方面的工作?
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fermi 2016-4-21 20:57:12
Gavin,您好,我非常担心比特币会分裂成两个,这是很不妙的。所以我在8btc上发表过一篇文章,讨论永久预防比特币分裂,http://8btc.com/thread-30758-1-1.htm,简单来说就是把各方不同的意见放进一个钱包,投票产生结果后钱包自动硬分岔,这样就不会出现分裂的情况了。不知是否可行?示意图:


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2016-4-21 22:50:23 fermi回复GavinAndresen : 是的,关键一点就是要大家都同意通过投票,承认投票的结果,在这个前题下,我认为51%即可。在大家共同认定的区块高度内进行投票,达到区块高度即投票结束。一币一票的,可以通过比特币脚本将转入的币锁定,直到抽票结束再解锁,这样就能防止反复投票,不参加者作为弃权。这样可以让每个持币者都有投票权。
2016-4-21 22:12:45 GavinAndresen: Agreeing how the vote would work would be hard (would transactions vote? For how long? 51% agreement or 75% or 95%?) Only transactions in blocks count as voting?  (if not, then somebody could send lots of transactions to vote multiple times)  And what if miners decide not to mine transactions that vote for something they disagree with?
对于投票功能本身达成一致就会很困难(交易算投票吗?投票时间多久?达成51%,75%还是95%共识呢?) 只有链上的交易算数吗?(如果不是, 一个人可以发送多笔交易重复投票)如果矿工不打包他们不同意的投票交易怎么办?
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比特吹 2016-4-21 20:58:55
Gavin 你认为以后大机构会参与到比特币的领域吗? 比如大型基金, 银行等。 看见新闻中说会合规和安全是这些机构考虑的风险因素, 这些因素以后有可能被消除吗,  还是说比特币可能永远是平民玩家的游戏。
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2016-4-21 22:14:24 GavinAndresen: If Bitcoin continues to grow, then yes, I think large institutions will start to accept Bitcoin. We have already seen some big technology companies like Microsoft work with Bitcoin.

Most of the risk with Bitcoin is caused by new, immature companies (like Mt. Gox). The risk is smaller today, because larger, more stable, better funded companies with better engineers are involved, and I expect that will continue.

I hope Bitcoin will also be used by ordinary people forever!
如果比特币能够继续成长,大机构会参与的。他们会开始接受比特币。比如说微软已经这么做了。
比特币面临的大多数风险来自于新的,不成熟的公司(如Mt.Gox)。目前类似的风险少了,因为大型公司,拥有更多资金和更好工程师的开始介入这个领域,而且我觉得这种情况会持续下去。
我同样也希望普通人能够一直使用比特币!
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baowj 2016-4-21 21:08:55
自从加入比特币开发,您觉得最自豪的事情是什么?What are you most proud of since you've join in Bitcoin development?
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2016-4-21 22:13:59 GavinAndresen: All of the testing infrastructure that I put into place. My first contribution was the Bitcoin testnet, and if I remember correctly I also put the first unit tests in place and the first regression tests.
所有我部署到位的测试基础设施,我的第一个贡献是比特币的testnet,如果我没记错的话第一单元测试和第一个回归测试也是我放进去的。
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kcb 2016-4-21 21:11:03
你好Gavin,请问你为什么认为比特币不能取代法币,成为新的全球通用货币?
它有着比法币更好的储值性,更快的流动性,以及能更好的防假币,甚至可以实现真正的个人财富神圣不可侵犯。(再也没有任何人能没收你的财产,也不会有什么资本管制)
这显然是一个更好的货币,一个更好的货币的出现,人们不是应该自然地向其靠近,渐渐摒弃老旧的货币系统?(正如人们几千年以前发现贝壳不是一个好的货币,发现黄金的更佳的货币属性,从而弃用贝壳,改用黄金)
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2016-4-21 22:13:27 GavinAndresen: It could eventually replace the fiat system, but I don’t think that will happen in my lifetime. I hope I am wrong about that!
他最终是有可能取代法币系统,不过我觉得在我有生之年是看不到了,不过我倒希望我预测错了。
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