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2017-4-1 16:00 至 2017-4-1 18:00 商定
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Aeternity简介
Aeternity由德裔计算机科学家“以太坊教父”Yanislav Malahov与前Augur核心开发者Zack Hess、前Synereo核心开发者Jack Pettersson于2016年发起,旨在重树当今智能合约的底层协议。团队已经在Github上公布测试网络(testnet)源代码。Aeternity将会在北京时间2017年4月3日21:05开始全球同步pre-ICO公开众售。

Aeternity的创新及技术优势

图灵完备状态通道(State Channel)

区块链业界最近最为有趣的进展就是对状态通道的研究。状态通道可以视为是一种二层网络,智能合约和交易发生在通道内,而只将结果(最终状态)更新到区块链上。我们认为区块链交易的基准原则是,在大多数情况下,只有受到一笔交易影响的人需要知道这笔交易。在 Aeternity 上,只有网络代币 aeon 转账这样的状态更新需要在链上进行确定,而区块链仅仅用作确定最终结果,或是解决可能出现的争议。所以状态通道将指数级地提升交易速度、吞吐量和隐私性能。

去中心化预言机
受到truthcoin、Augur和Gnosis的启发,Aeternity提供了基于代币aeon作为奖惩手段的博弈体系,确保通过公共智慧和博弈来取得可靠的链外数据采信和上链机制。

应用前景
结合状态通道的高性能和预言机的数据上链机制,我们将会看到如下应用在Aeternity网络上诞生:
贸易金融;
保险类事件合约;
小微付费API;
众筹活动安全保障;

白皮书下载:http://8btc.com/doc-view-1225.html

本期嘉宾:Aeternity团队

Yanislav Malahov创始人
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Yanislav与许多杰出人士经常保持交流,并和他们共同在区块链领域进行项目开发。Yanislav无疑是区块链领域的资深人士。
这位“以太坊教父”曾在2013年就设想过在区块链领域应该有更强大的算法。如今,Yanislav有了Æternity项目,他自己的设想和愿景会变为现实。

Marion Vogel 市场及运营总监
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2014年早期,Marion就被区块链技术的魔力所吸引。Marion热衷于将技术与逐渐壮大的社区联系起来。Marion最优秀的地方莫过于她对社会经济影响进行研究,以及维护 Æternity社区所作出的努力。Marion在加入团队之前在硅谷一家公司负责市场和商业开发。

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绯雨 2017-3-31 11:54:41
看团队构成与Augur的渊源很深啊,好像也没什么新的创意。在以太坊上可以做类似的事情,为什么还需要aeternity?
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2017-4-1 17:37:50 ae-Yanislav: Zack was the first programmer for Augur. He started developing a new blockchain for them, before they decided to switch to Ethereum. We don’t exactly agree that Ethereum can do the job though, as it is not able to scale with the current architecture. So it is better to start from scratch.
Zack是Augur的第一个程序员。他给Augur开发新的区块链,后来Augur决定用以太坊了。后来我俩都觉得以太坊无法实现我们的一些想法,因为以太坊的延展性不足以满足我们现在所需的框架需求。所以还不如重头做起。
2017-4-1 16:24:06 ae-Yanislav: Augur is voting based, while æternity is in a way more similar to Gnosis: market-based. Both of them rely on Ethereum. We very much think that such an important application like a global prediction market is so important that it needs a blockchain for this, to align the interests of people who have AE tokens.

Augur是基于群众投票的,而AE的ORACLE更接近Gnosis:基于市场。Augur和Gnosis都依赖以太坊。我们认为国际预测市场这样重要的应用需要专门为它而生的区块链,这样才能绑定AE代币持有人的利益。
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比特币黑子 2017-3-31 11:57:09
你们怎么与Gnosis、Synereo和以太坊等加密货币平台竞争?你们怎样评价量子链(Qtum)项目?他们也说要做下一代区块链网络,做中国的以太坊。
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2017-4-1 17:36:33 ae-Yanislav: We have a more holistic approach to software development, blockchain and crypto, which even integrates with hardware. Ethereum is just the base layer. Gnosis is just a prediction market. Synereo, I am not sure what they are doing at the moment. Initially Synereo was more like a decentralized social network.

我们对软件开发更通盘的考虑:区块链、加密货币、甚至是和硬件的整合。以太坊只是一个底层,Gnosis只是预测市场。我不知道目前Synereo在干嘛。Synereo一开始更像是个去中心化社交网络。

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When one of the first Ethereum developers saw Qtum he messaged me and said: “You wanted to do the same thing 1 year ago.” - And yes, originally I was looking for easier ways to improve Ethereum and create a next gen smart contrat platform, but the deeper you get, the more innovative you can be. Especially the help of Zack Hess lead to the current architecture of æternity.

有一个以太坊第一批开发者看了Qtum之后,给我发消息说:你一年之前不就想做类似的东西吗?” 是的,我一开始只是想找到更好的办法来改进以太坊,创建下一代智能合约平台,但你越是深入你就会变得更具有创新性。特别是有了Zack Hess来带领设计现有AE架构之后。
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绿藻头 2017-3-31 14:36:26
请问Aeternity是基于以太坊区块链?还是比特币区块链?
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2017-4-1 18:39:05 ae-Yanislav: Aeternity is a new blockchain. It is not based on Bitcoin or Ethereum. The core blockchain is written in Erlang, a 30 year old language for writing highly fault-tolerant distributed systems. For the UX, it will be based on webtechnology. We will have JS light wallets, libraries and ReactJS modules to make it quick to integrate easily webapps into the æternity ecosystem.

AE是一条新的区块链。它不是基于以太坊或比特币的。它使用的编程语言是Erlang,这是一种有30年历史的、用于编写高度可容错分布式系统的语言。就用户体验而言,我们准备了网页端的技术,我们有JS轻钱包、库和ReactJS模块,确保可以快速整合webapp到AE的生态系统中。

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ckfck 2017-3-31 14:37:14
什么时候ICO?aeternity是主要面对企业用户的么?企业在上面能获得什么应用
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2017-4-1 18:49:36 ae-Yanislav: Aeternity is mainstream oriented. The technology can be used by corporates, but our focus is more the public mainstream use, so it needs to be open for everybody and corporations tend to exclude at least some people. The blockchain standards which achieves public mainstream adoption first, will be also the one, which will be privately adopted in corporations.

AE是面向主流的。企业当然可以应用我们的技术,但我们主要针对公共领域的使用,所以必须对所有人开放,而企业一般喜欢排除普通人。获得公共领域接纳的区块链标准必将获得私有领域的青睐。
2017-3-31 15:55:10 Victor_wang: 4月3号,任何人或机构都可以在上面进行开发,可以理解成加强版以太坊。
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大圣大圣 2017-3-31 14:44:44
什么是图灵完备通道?平台代币流转是匿名的吗?和以太坊的区别是什么,想问一下创始人为什么不继续待在以太坊了?
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2017-4-1 18:31:15 ae-Yanislav: about why I left Ethereum: I called myself ‘the godfather’ specifically because the ‘founder’ titles where in such a big demand. I think I was kind-of disappointed not to see more technical talent inside the Ethereum core team. Lot’s of politics.

关于我为什么要离开以太坊:我自称“教父”是因为“创始人”这个头衔太大。我对以太坊核心团队缺乏更多的技术人才而感到有些失望。玩政治的太多。
2017-4-1 18:28:15 ae-Yanislav回复ae-Yanislav : It is a channel which is used by 2 parties and this way becomes very fast. In Bitcoin there is the Lightning Network which allows something similar, but only for transfering bitcoins, and not for arbitrary algorithms or ‘smart contracts’. The end state (end result in AE) of the channel can be mutually agreed on, or in case of disagreement, the last state (possibly first) can be published together with the smart contract to the blockchain, which then enforces it, i.e. comes to the same result as if everything would have been on the main public blockchain. The problem which state channels solve is the scalability and confidentiality. It is completely impossible that everybody on this planet transacts on one single public blockchain everytime, but it is possible to use the blockchain as an settlement and enforcement ledger, and to have trustless and lightning-fast transactions inside channels.
这是两方之间的一条通道,速度很快。比特币有LN即闪电网络,是类似的东西,但只能交易比特币,而不能成为任意算法或者是“智能合约”的通道。通道的最终状态(AE上的结果)可以是双方共同同意的;但如果遇到争议,最终的状态(也许是初始状态)可以与智能合约一起在链上公布,然后得到强制执行;也就是说,这就跟一切在主链上运行的结果一样。状态通道的解决的问题是可扩容性和保密性。不可能每次都让全世界所有人在一条公有区块链上进行交易,但有可能让区块链成为结算和执行账本,获得去信任和极快的通道内交易速度。
2017-4-1 17:08:58 ae-Yanislav: Q2:The transfer of the aeon (AE) token is similar to Ethereum when it is on the æternity blockchain. When the transfer happens inside state channels, then the transfer is private, but not anonymously.

回答第二个问题:AE代币的交易和以太类似。交易发生在通道中,是私有的,但不是匿名的。

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ethereum is the first example of a programmable smart contract platform based on blockchain technology. We have learned quite a few things in the past few years and know now what can be improved. E.g. transaction speed, transaction amount, confidientiality. As blockchains are not meant to change
over time (hardfork) we do better to start from time to time with a new implementation which has already the new innovations build in from ground up.

回答关于ae和以太坊的区别: 以太坊是第一个基于区块链的可编程智能合约平台。我们过去这几年学了不少,知道什么地方可以改进,比如交易速度、交易吞吐、保密性能。区块链并不能很好地随着时间推移而升级(要硬分叉),所以我们最好一开始就从已经有很多创新的平台开始。

2017-4-1 16:18:05 ae-Yanislav: It is a channel which is used by 2 parties and this way becomes very fast. In Bitcoin there is the Lightning Network which allows something similar, but only for transfering bitcoins, and not for arbitrary algorithms or ‘smart contracts’.

图灵完备通道是两方之间的一条通道,速度很快。比特币有LN即闪电网络,是类似的东西,但LN只能交易比特币,而不能成为任意算法或者是“智能合约”的通道。
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Victor_wang 2017-3-31 15:53:49
代币aeon会在哪些平台进行交易?
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2017-4-1 17:34:29 Victor_wang回复ae-Yanislav : 我的意思是会在 Poloniex、coinbase平台进行交易么?
2017-4-1 16:13:00 ae-Yanislav: AE tokens will be transferable right after the contribution campaign ends. Thus they also will become tradable. When people want to trade tokens, what shall stop them? So many exchanges today, some of them will want to make transaction fees.

AE代币在融资结束后即可进行发送和接收,也就可以开始交易。如果人们想交易代币,没有谁会拦着。现在交易所这么多。当然有些交易所会想要收手续费。
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xianyunguh 2017-4-1 09:07:20
请问aeternity只在中国ico吗?国外有没有参与aeternity的ICO网站?怎么知道有多少其他国家的人参与了ICO呢?
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2017-4-1 16:23:02 ae-Yanislav: The contribution campaign is for everybody. It is not only ICO for China. More details on our website on Monday: www.aeternity.com

融资活动面向所有人。并非只是一个为中国准备的ICO。我们下周一会放出更多信息:www.aeternity.com

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hellobitcoin 2017-4-1 09:58:17
1.预言机之前有几个项目涉及过,跟Augur和Gnosis这些相比,你们有什么特点或者优势?
2.什么时间有的这个项目的创意?花了多长时间来设计?
3.以太坊本身的一些变动会不会影响到你们项目?
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2017-4-1 17:40:09 ae-Yanislav: 1.Augur is voting based, while æternity is in a way more similar to Gnosis: market-based. Both of them rely on Ethereum. We very much think that such an important application like a global prediction market is so important that it needs a blockchain for this, to align the interests of people who have AE tokens.

Augur是基于群众投票的,而AE的预言机更接近Gnosis:基于市场。Augur和Gnosis都依赖以太坊。我们认为国际预测市场这样重要的应用需要专门为它而生的区块链,这样才能绑定AE代币持有人的利益。

2.I started looking into ways to improve Ethereum about a year ago from now. Back then I was working still on BitAlias, a naming system on top of Bitcoin, but I realised that Bitcoin has first other problems to overcome before I can be used for new “killer apps”. Zack started working on state channels and this new architecture already even earlier. I think Ethereum is great as it is, and I think too much change could break Ethereum and too long discussions about hard-forks can distract from what crypto-technology is actually able to deliver using the research we have done in the past few years: a scalable transaction ledger for the borderless internet of value.

我大概是一年前开始思考如何改进以太坊的。我当时仍在开发BitAlias,是一个基于比特币的命名系统。但我逐渐认识到比特币面临的首要问题不在这里。我来不及做新的杀手级应用。Zack在我之前就开始研究状态通道和目前的全新架构了。我认为以太坊自有其伟大之处,但太多改动对以太坊不利;对硬分叉的讨论太多也会妨碍人们对过去数年加密货币技术积累的真正价值的认识:可扩容跨境价值互联网的交易账本。

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VisualBoy 2017-4-1 10:04:32
代币aeon总量是多少?增发机制是怎样的?1BTC换多少aeon?代币会上哪几个交易所,在中国交易可以交易吗?共识机制是怎样的?需要挖矿吗?是否有预挖?团队持有多少代币?
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2017-4-1 17:47:27 ae-Yanislav: The total innitial amount of aeon (AE) tokens depends on the amount of ETH and BTC send to the contribution addresses. The rate between ETH and BTC will be set just before the launch according to leading exchanges. More details in the announcement blogpost, including what the foundation and team will hold with the preallocation.

初始的AE代币总供应量取决于融资活动获得的比特币和以太币额度。比特币和以太坊之间的汇率会在活动开始前设定,参照主要的交易所价格。我们后面会放出博客文章,公布更多细节,包括基金会和代币分配相关信息。
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wetrustbtc 2017-4-1 10:06:13
以太坊教父,怎么看待现在的以太坊,以及从以太坊分裂出去的Gavin Wood,还有Gavin做的一系列项目,包括Consensys。

你现在还看好以太坊吗?如果ae要和以太坊竞争,你们的优势是什么?如果重新建设一个庞大的社区?
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2017-4-1 17:52:38 ae-Yanislav: Ethereum is good where it is today: number two of all blockchains. Gavin Wood does Parity now, and might not be exclusive to Ethereum. Consensys is by Joseph Lubin - they will also just use whatever core blockchain technology is best for their applications.


以太坊现在还是不错的:市值第二。Gavin Wood现在在做Parity,后者不一定是只应用于以太坊的。Consensys是Joseph Lubin的,他们也是什么技术好就用什么。

æternity will collect ETH, so it seems that we are long in Ethereum. æternity is different in what it wants to achieve though. Also Bitcoin is great! The general crypto community is growing so rapidly, that æternity does not need to take market from existing projects, but naturally people who are interested in Bitcoin or Ethereum might be interested in æternity, too. We will actually also allocated 1% of initial AE tokens to people which have private keys of Bitcoin/Ethereum on a random basis. The idea is to make (almost) every Bitcoin/Ethereum holder also a AE token holder. Technical limits might apply.

AE的融资活动收以太币啊,所以我们看来是看好以太坊的。AE和以太坊的不同在于目标不同。对了,比特币万岁!整个币圈发展非常非常快,AE根本不需要和其他项目争夺存量市场。但很自然而然地,对比特币或以太坊感兴趣的人也会对AE感兴趣的。我们其实也会把1%的初始AE代币分配给持有比特币/以太坊私钥的人,随机发放。这个点子的目的是要让几乎所有比特币/以太坊持有人也变成AE代币持有人。(当然要视乎具体技术情况)



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wetrustbtc 2017-4-1 10:07:05
ICO之后什么时候可以交易?会上国内的几个山寨币交易所吗?大概什么时候上?
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2017-4-1 17:57:48 ae-Yanislav: After the contribution phases the token contract (ERC20) will be created on Ethereum, using the contribition transaction data on the BTC and ETH blockchain. Listing on exchanges is not a problem for ERC20 token contracts. For æternity mainnet we will (probably) make an API wrapper, so that exchanges can use existing integrations to trade AE token.

在融资活动结束之后,代币合约(ERC20)就会根据比特币和以太坊区块链的交易数据创建。ERC20代币h合约登录交易所没有什么难度。AE主链的话,我们需要先弄一套API,交易所才能用现有的整合方案来交易AE代币。

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炒币 2017-4-1 10:08:28
这个Aeternity与原有比特币链与ETH币链包括日后的QTUM链能兼容吗?
MissCherry! 2017-4-1 10:08:48
你们团队有多少人?开发人员占比?
Keidom这个项目现在进展怎么样了?
你们对中国市场怎么看,为什么选择来中国进行ICO?

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2017-4-1 16:27:05 ae-Yanislav: Many questions.
1.people in team: we are growing. about 10 people at the moment. there are more who are helping on the side. we get lots of requests.
2.devs: we need more developers. but we don’t need many if we do the core architecture right. Whatsapp had over 500 million users with about 35 employes, and they were using Erlang programming language too, which made it possible.
Keidom: Keidom was the first name of the company which Trent McGonnaghy created in the field 3.of blockchain technology. They pivoted very strongly and are called now BigChainDB.
4.My attitude towards the chinese market: I have only been to Hong Kong so far, and it was a phantastic time. Looking forward to coming soon to Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen.
China has many people and many miners. Decentralized technology is good for people.

问题不少嘛小伙子。
团队成员:我们还在扩张之中。目前有大约10人。还有许多人是外部贡献者。我们收到了很多求职意向。
开发者:我们需要更多开发者。但我们认为,做好核心架构才是关键。Whatsapp有超过5亿用户,但只有35名雇员,而且他们也用Erlang(AE的开发语言)。
Keidom:Keidom是Trent Mcgonnaghy公司的区块链子公司的一个别称,他们势头强劲,目前改名为BigChainDB
我对中国市场的态度:我目前只去过香港,但那次经历棒极了。我非常期待尽快来北京,上海和深圳。
中国人多,矿工多,我认为去中心化科技对中国人民会有很大益处。

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炒币 2017-4-1 10:08:55
1、请问17%的分配安排出来了么,团队多少,基金会多少,基金会是那些人组成,以太坊教父持有多少?
2、pow和pos阶段的货币发行计划。pow的货币发行量是多少?pos阶段的通胀率是多少?
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2017-4-1 17:04:52 ae-Yanislav: For now it is better to stay flexible and not to rush to create a foundation. The foundation should be created in between phase 1 and 2 of the contribution campaign. Because more people will know about æternity after phase 1 the foundation can also be stuffed with a better board. Ethereum was a mess, because too many people where fighting over titles all the time. The right time will come.
The ETH will be spend in the following 2 years on development and building the community. The 17% will be party given out as bounties by the foundation and party given to people who stay long-term involved in æternity, as a public long term incentive. Most of the AE shall not be accissible by the team till 1 year after launch of the æternity blockchain.

目前最好还是保持灵活性,不要忙着搞基金会。基金会应该是在第一轮和第二轮之间的时候注册。因为很多人会在第一轮结束后才知道AE,那时候基金会就可以得到更好的团队成员构成。
以太坊是一团糟,因为很多人不断在争夺各种头衔。我们且行且看。
我们筹得的钱会在接下来两年中用于开发和社区建设。17%的一部分会被基金会发出作为奖金,一部分给AE的长期贡献者,作为一种长远的公开激励。这里提到的团队的大部分代币在AE区块链发布1年内是锁定的。
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